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April 07, 2014

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John Stickley

I find it interesting that there are so many voices trying to equate Christian stances on homosexuality with racism / slavery, when in fact, the fallacy that allowed Christians to support racism / slavery was capitulation to accepted culture (or at least seeking to justify the accepted culture with Scripture).

Which is exactly what people are trying to force upon Christians who hold to Biblical standards regarding homosexuality / gay marriage. Capitulation to accepted culture.

In essence, people are demanding that Christians repeat the same error.

Tim Cook

I think you've done a good job here, and I agree with your conclusions, but I feel the need to point out that I think you have misrepresented Rachel Evans' actual position. She states rather clearly that she is not making the argument that the two issues are equivalent. In fact, she seems more concerned with gender roles than homosexuality, at least in the post you referenced. A call for a little humility in light of past injustice is no bad thing, and I read that as being her main point. She takes issue more with a simplistic arrogance many bring to the discussion than she does anyone's sincere convictions. Other than that, a great article though. Even if Rachel does not hold this position, many do, and it is worth examining.

Alan Cross

Tim, Rachel has been making the case rather strongly lately and she refers back to that post as the reason why. I agree with the need for humility when it comes to how we interpret Scripture. That call runs through my whole book. I am simply saying that just because we were wrong in the past does not mean that we are wrong now becuase we have to consider WHY we were wrong and not just look at the claim. In addressing Evans' charge, I am also dealing with some of her recent comments as well on this.

But, yes, her calls for us to have humility and consider why we believe what we do are well taken and something that we should all do. That is why I said that she asked good questions. I just do not ascribe to some of her conclusions and, admittedly, it seems that many of her conclusions are becoming more clear as time goes on.

We, as Evangelicals, absolutely SHOULD look at the errors of our past. I spend 320 pages and 5 years of research doing just that. But, when we look at them, let's learn what they are really telling us and where they should be applied and where that application does not actually work.

Alan Cross

John, I think that that applies to a lot of issues that we are dealing with - not just homosexuality. I only brought up that issue because of the claims being made right now and the good questions being raised. There are other issues too, issues that deal with Power, Politics, Consumerism, where we live, what we affirm, etc. The cultural winds try to take us in a lot of different directions. We have been wrong before and we will be wrong again. But, because we were wrong before does not necessarily mean that we are wrong in everything that we assert. We have to look at what lies beneath our assertions and that is the kind of work that few of us want to engage in, it seems. But, more than ever, we need to - which is why I wrote the book. :)

Dave Miller

Well done. I should write a review of the book.

John Stickley

I agree completely Alan... we struggle with the same kind of issue on many matters. I like how you put it there... being blown by "cultural winds". I may borrow that phrase from you for a future blog post of my own.

In this case, I do find it particularly ironic that Christians are under attack because of past errors, and again because they won't repeat the same process that lead to those errors.

It's certainly frustrating to an extent, but not unexpected. Perhaps if Christians lived as strangers in this world, living as citizens of heaven moreso than according to "cultural winds"... perhaps then we'd be better prepared to handle this kind of thing. I really think this is a root of many of Christianity's ills... the cultural subversion of Christianity as you've described above.

Thanks for the great food for thought.

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