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March 07, 2013

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BDW

Alan,

I gotta disagree with how you've framed this column. It's a big mistake to treat the ACLU and Democratic Party like they are one in the same.

Suffice it to say, if more ACLU members in Florida had voted for Al Gore rather than Ralph Nader, we likely would not have had George Bush as our president!

Of course, there is some overlap, but ACLU types - and by that I mean socially progressive folks who are strongly supporters of civil liberties - have never had a great deal of influence within the Democratic Party machine. You can go back to the DNC in the late 1960s in Chicago to see this truth.

I watched some of the filibuster last night, and as a Democrat, I'm in agreement with fellow Baylor Bear Rand Paul on some issues regarding civil liberties.

In terms of politics, it's not that ideology has collapsed as much, in my opinion, as it is that circumstances have changed. The world was rocked by 9/11 and, for better or worse, our politics have forever changed on the question of civil liberties as it relates to terrorism and perceived terrorists.

The ACLU is still at the forefront of the fight for civil liberties. They just don't have influence within the Democratic Party and really never have. Their successes and influence in culture has always been self-made. The ACLU is well-funded - not by corporations but by philanthropists and regular people - and they win in court.

I think the drone debate is very interesting but really nothing new. I think we'll both agree that our government has engaged in extrajudicial killings of citizens in the past. That's safe to say. However, now we have more transparency, a better media, more information, etc. We're now much more aware of these things than we were even 25 years ago.

I'm very reluctant to talk about a "moral collapse." From the lens of history, haven't we always been "collapsing" - I mean, in all seriousness, when was a period in American history when we weren't collapsing, morally?

Maybe there was a brief halt of the collapse from 70-72 when state-sanctioned segregation ended and abortion-on-demand began?

Philip H

BDW--If the DNC is not "socially progressive folks who are strongly supporters of civil liberties"--aren't you pretty much agreeing with Alan??

Lydia

Add this one to the fact there that ammunition is almost impossible to buy right now and ask....what is going on?

We can see throughout history that people did not ask questions EARLY enough about the little things like government buying up the ammunition....and the issue about targeting American citizens for assasination without due process is a BIG thing.

Have we really become this ignorant?

J O E B L A C K M O N

Throughout my lifetime, Democrats have ideologically defended civil liberties and have raised opposition to the power of the state interfering in the lives of Americans.

Unless those Americans happen to still be in their mother's womb, in which case they'll fight tooth and nail to make sure those infants can be sliced up into itty bitty pieces so as to be extracted more easily.

Yeah, you're a conservative, all right.

downshoredrift


BDW,


I am really talking about what the Democratic Party has been known for. If they are not defending civil liberties any longer and if that was just an ACLU thing, then what real purpose do they serve in that area? Doesnt their relative abandonment of those positions kind of prove my point?

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