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February 21, 2013

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Mike Bronson

This is the best summary of what is happening in evangelicalism today that I have read to date. Sad but true. Pastors must decide NOW if they will compromise or stand.

B L A C K M O N J O E

Oh not to worry, Alan. You won't be persecuted since you agree with the culture that FBC Dallas is full of hate mongers and their theology is hateful along with what they say being hateful. What you've been praying for has come to pass. "The only kind of "Christianity" deemed acceptable in America today is the kind that is being reframed as all love and no judgment for sin."-you know, the kind you, Todd Littleton, iPunk (R.I....nah), and others of your ilk preach.

Robert I Masters

No
Alan I do not think so!

Alan Cross

Joe, you quoted my very post and then accused me of advocating what I clearly denounce. You are not being truthful.

I am going to pray for you.

Christiane

Hi ALAN,
I'm going to share a comment I am leaving at SBCvoices:
"Seeking ‘popularity’ been never been a Christian virtue, nor is having a personal ‘following’ . . . I think that the young man in question has thanked God for allowing him a ‘platform’ to express his faith in Christ.

something very, very important is not being considered in this incident and it is not for me to point out what it is . . . I suggest that people pause for a moment and consider what that something is and why they are avoiding it

another point is that if Jeffress is such a model for Southern Baptists, then why don’t THEY start promoting him openly and not sit back and expect a very young man to do that for them ?

something is truly wrong in this whole incident, and it is NOT a young man’s hesitation to extend his ‘platform’ to include the world of Robert Jeffress . . . I am disappointed in what I am seeing, because young people are not lining up behind the same ‘leaders’ as their elders in Christianity in the same way as their elders . . . the younger generation of Christian people have their own voice for Christ, and for the most part, it is not the voice of Robert Jeffress"

Christiane

ALAN, here's the rest of my SBCvoices rant and thanks for letting me express my thoughts:

“I don’t know everything about Robert Jeffress or all that he has said. But, First Baptist, Dallas, TX is hardly a fringe church in Evangelicalism.”

I do know more about Robert Jeffress and ‘all that he has said’ than is being reported on this blog, and I am beginning to realize that you may be right when you say that “First Baptist, Dallas, TX is hardly a fringe church in Evangelicalism”.

two points:
WHY are those ‘other’ beliefs and statements by Jeffress not being reported here?

WHY do folks want for someone like Tim Tebow to lend credibility to someone like Jeffress first, before going deeper into those ‘other’ beliefs and statements themselves?

think about it . . .
Tim Tebow found out about ‘something’ and he made a choice. . .
it was HIS choice, and now the folks that wanted him to lend credibility to their own untrumpeted positions on Jeffress’ ‘other’ statements, those folks are now angry.

for goodness sake, Southern Baptists need to sort out where they stand on those ‘other’ issues and speak up and not depend on people like Jeffress to do it for them . . .

the election is ‘over’, so openness is no longer a political consideration

The SBC needs to stop pussy-footing around those folks who hold views that it speaks of as ‘other’ and won’t name . . .
the SBC needs to clarify its position on those more controversial issues even though it may place them further towards the fringe than it wants to be perceived as being,
but the SBC cant’ have it both ways

Jeffress draws a strong line in the sand. Does the SBC embrace the whole of his teachings? If not, back off of Tebow. If they do, then speak up for yourselves openly and don’t expect a young man to make credible something that you yourselves have hesitated to do.

Am I calling people out here?
Well, I certainly hope so. It’s needed."

Todd

Joe,

The world is a better place with you judging everyone.

As always Joe, you are right, always right.

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