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October 31, 2012

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Christiane

I guess after a while, terms like 'baby killer' and 'not an American' come home to roost.

Most Americans are puzzled by the venom. I suppose some assume the unthinkable . . . that racism is behind extreme comments.

yet still, there have been some comments that are . . . well, here's an example . . . you judge:
'foodstamp President'

even the middle of the road media was shocked at that one

I don't think that 'racism' would ever have been an accusation UNLESS some politicians, thinking that they were playing to a racist base, went 'all-out' for effect;
and that,in itself, was a terrible indictment of a wannabe leadership that pandered to the worst among us, and did not consider the majority who opposed Obama.

Alan Cross

Christiane, I am not saying that certain people have not used racial dialogue. But to say that people are against Obama because they are racist is just flat wrong. It is the "guilt by association" fallacy at its finest.

Now, I do think that one should wonder why most of the people of their race vote for one guy while most of the people of other races vote for the other guy. It might not be because of racism but because of built in situations in our systems that tie back to our racial histories. Perhaps we can turn our attention to those things?

Todd

Alan,
Are you saying there is no one who is voting against President Obama because of race?

Alan Cross

No. I am not saying "no one." There are plenty of classical racists out there still. I am saying that "race" does not have to be a reason to vote against Obama or for Romney. There are plenty of other reasons that one might have.

I AM making a secondary argument, however, that should be considered when it comes to these types of things. Even if you are not overtly influenced by race, it is prudent to notice when you are making decisions according to power and wealth and the majority of White people see it one way and the majority of Black people see it another way. While you might not be acting racially, you might be influenced by a set of criteria that is connected to race in some kind of way, at least in historic power arrangements. But, saying that all those who vote for their interests or their vision for America are racists if they do not like Obama misses the point, I think. There is something that goes deeper than race. It is self-interest and self-preservation and a society based on that the way that we are will not prosper for long.

PJ Hannam

Alan--I basically agree (if I understand fully)how you develop your argument. If I were to cast a piece of it in different words I hear you saying that the ways in which we use "racist" and "racism" are no longer useful. They don't serve the purposes of good language which brings clarity and light to that which we seek to dialogue about together. But the critique you render of how we ought think about our lives and world basically makes the case that we continue to live in a world of bondage that is racist. You just don't use the word.

On one hand, when a word ends up obfuscating and paralyzing conversation--we might as well get rid of it. "Sin" is a word like that.

We desperately need to be able to identify "sin." But at the same time, if people do not hear the word from a Biblical framework, and it shuts down understanding, ought we use it?

But then taking words off the table is an act of power and we should be careful about taking prophetic words off the table that speak to abuse of power--unless we are sure they have been heard and have been heeded.

Alan Cross

Philip, thank you for taking the time to interact. I guess that what I am saying is that the personal critique of someone as a "racist" because they vote a certain way or according to their own interests is an impossible assertion to make. It renders the real definition of racism moot. But, we would all do well to recognize that we still benefit from systems established to promote one group over another. While we might not personally harbor racism in our hearts, we might unknowlingly choose to give power to systems and structures that affirm one group of people over another because we consistently choose that which benefits us and our situation, even though it does not benefit others. We get away with this because we say that everyone has access to success if they just work hard. That is true, to an extent. But, it fails to take into account years of history that told a different story. People begin to see themselves and their position in life and society differently after they have been told who they are. We see this in abusive relationships. We do not blame the victim of abuse for seeing themselves in a less than favorable light. We understand that abuse happened and we try to bring healing. We get that when it comes to individuals. Why do we not get that when it comes to groups?

My point is that we do not rectify the situation when we then accuse individuals of nefarious motives when it comes to their choices. We say that racism is evil but selfishness and acting upon personal preference is okay - that is what America is all about. When people choose a politician because he benefits them personally, we should recognize that choice for what it is. It is not necessarily racism. But, then we should take the critique further and recognize that what was once racism had its roots in selfishness and personal preference and using our power to advance ourselves over others. We have rejected racism without rejecting personal selfishness, greed, and personal preference as a nation. So, we keep doubling down on what got us in this situation in the first place, except now it is less about race and more about self and power and money and greed.

I am trying to make a nuanced argument and am perhaps doing it poorly, I admit. But, I think that many White Christians are no longer working from a racist perspective, but are still working from a self-centered or self-promoting perspective in that what they affirm is what ultimately benefits them and their view of what benefits the nation without considering the plight of others. On some of this, they might be right. For example, a strong case can be made that reducing the Federal debt and lowering taxes can be a good thing. Also, eliminating abortion and having a society that affirms righteousness are also very good things that are not selfish and protect the weak and are good for our nation. So, we should affirm those things. But, when we do so without simultaneously taking into consideration the other views of minority populations on issues that they hold dear, we might be promoting righteousness on the one hand while also promoting an unbalanced equation on the other hand so that we personally benefit while feeling good about ourselves for being against certain things even though we don't do much to change them.

This is why being personally involved in community development work in a sacrificial way is so important. We cannot be against abortion effectively without also giving our time, energy, and treasure to help the children already born into poverty and difficult social situations. Economic and moral equations always have two sides at least. The fault of our current political solutions is that we often only affirm one side of the equation and forget how the other side affects people. This is why both sides are so disastifying and why only a renewed understanding of the Kingdom can help us.

In my attempt to say that those who vote for Romney may not be racists while also calling us to look at the systems that we affirm, I am really calling for a deeper understanding of how society works and what it means to take an holistic approach to life from a Christian perspective.

This is what I am trying to do in my book that I am working on. It is not an easy task.

PJ Hannam

Are we sinners?
Should sin not be called sin even if the offender meant no harm? Should cancer be considered a structure of sin--or is it just a sickness unrelated to sin?

Maybe we should simply diagram what has changed and what has not changed. I think personal prejudices have significantly shifted. I think ideas about races having certain "places" in society have greatly shifted. I think explicit, oppressive, laws that were racially targeted have mostly been eliminated.

I think the prison doors have been unlocked. Lincoln emancipated the slaves in 1863. Doors were unlocked one hundred years later.

The stories we discussed yesterday about the pastors who committed suicide reflected a society so 'locked down' that those who wanted to change could not change.

Today the prison cells remain--but when persons come to the point of calling these cells places of bondage that they will leave--the doors can open. Suicide is not the sole solution.

But other bondages are being layered on the old system. Violence, prisons, fatherlessness, drugs and poverty climb in bed with an old system that renders some people "invisible."

It is not fair to say, "Well, it's all racism." But neither is is fair to attempt to understand it and ignore how racism is woven throughout.

Maybe we can't use "racism" with multiple and nuanced meanings because we have been unwilling to walk hand in hand. Most of my adult life has been in 'black churches.' And most of that time I have not spent too much time talking with my brothers and sisters about race. Usually it has felt like too much work.

I feel like relationships are different than 35 years ago. But I don't know if that is because I am at a different spot or because the world has moved. I think both.

I don't think we can be faithful to Jesus and stuck on issues of race. And I don't think we can be faithful to Jesus and not see those issues, repent, and walk in relationship.

My number one issue with Republican party IS what I would call racism. And the most clear evidence is what I would call "Invisibility." I believe the ultimate expression of racism is genocide--to make ultimately invisible. The party knows it cannot sustain as an aging white party. But if another election can be purchased with various coded appeals and 'making invisible' of others--they are still willing to take that path.

Will Romney come to Alabama? If you took a map of Montgomery and stuck a pin on three places in Montgomery where you believe the heart of the Republican Party most resonates--where would you stick the pins? What about the Democratic Party? What about Romney? What about Obama? What about Jesus?

If ten percent of the GOP had the heart of a Jack Kemp the entire conversation would change. That is not because he was a perfect answer. But he had the eyes and heart to see and address blacks (and others)with a passion for how conservatism could bring justice. I think the conversation does not change because masses intuitively sense there is virtually none of that in the GOP or Romney campaign.

Alan Cross

Philip, that was brilliant and I agree completely. I really have nothing to add.

My original post was only meant to address the individual nature of racist thought that would have one person say that they were superior to another because of the color of their skin. I don't think that is what motivates us. But, the rest of what you described is still there and as Christians, it is something that we should be addressing instead of ignoring. But, we often do not have eyes to see.

Right now, I am at my son's football practice at an expensive private school here. I do not belong. I tried to meet the other dads early on and talk with them. They did not want to know me and would barely respond when I introduced myself to them. For weeks, I tried, but I am not one of them, I guess. So, after awhile, I quit trying. I can't break in. I sit in the car, read, or sit by myself, watch my son, and look forward to going home. I am incapable of building relationships here because of either my defect or their's. Some days, I think it is me and it gets to me and I doubt myself. Other days, I think it is them and I feel anger. But, standing outside a closed social system breeds feelings of rejection, doubt, anger, and even worthlessness because you don't appear to measure up. Most people don't go through this, I know, but I am an analyzer so I experience emotions on a different level sometimes.

The good news is, I have a pretty strong sense of self and I get to go home. I don't worry about these guys too much and it is easy to forget about them. But, that isn't right either, is it? When I put my hand out to introduce myself and the guys look away and walk away, I am supposed to keep pursuing. I know this. But, I don't. I am tired. The day is long. I don't want to fool with it anymore.

Now, take my micro-emotions of rejection, alienation, fear, frustration, anger, and callousness and expand them over a people and a society and over hundreds of years and I do believe it explains much of what we are seeing culturally. Only Christ can heal that and the systems that perpetuate the division must be addressed in the ways that you described.

May we all regain energy from the Spirit for the hard work ahead for THIS generation.

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