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December 23, 2011

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Debbie Kaufman

Alan: It doesn't make one more spiritual and right with God who attend church today as opposed to those who don't. Being with family honors God too. In fact so many get so bogged down with church activities that they neglect the family and today could be the start of putting family first, which should be anyway.

It doesn't matter if these churches are closed today and had services yesterday or Friday or if they are open today. I went to church today, but not because I thought it would get me blessed by God or I was more spiritual, I just wanted to be there today. But, if I had to go out to be with family, that is where I would have been. That for me was last night after I got off of work.

As for wishing or causing intentional discomfort, I again disagree. We are who we are in Christ which is why we are blessed, not for what we do, not for a vow of poverty or any other deed. If God has blessed you with comfort, cherish it, enjoy it fully and thank God daily. There is no spirituality to be found by self depravtion or vows of poverty or wishing persecution on yourself. Christ took all that on himself at Calvary and unfortunately to few Christians grasp that but it is throughout the Bible. God gave us all good things to enjoy. That is actual scripture.

Enjoy life, breathe in God's blessings, be with family and don't be at church every time the doors are open, or be at church every time the doors are open because you want to, but don't judge those who don't do all the requirements that you and others thrust on them. God will still bless, or he will send famine, not because we failed to be at church but for his purposes.

Alan Cross

Debbie, thanks for reading and leaving a comment. I appreciate it. I apologize for not being clearer in my post, and will accept all the blame for how I communicated. If you think that I am trying to put people under burdens or say that they are more spiritual or more blessed if they go to church on Christmas Day, you could not be more wrong. Our blessing and righteousness is in Christ and Him alone. I do not see gathering together with the people of God to worship Christ on the day that we set aside to honor His birth as a burden or an example of being there everytime the doors are open in some type of legalistic fashion. You can have those arguments with other people, but I am not one of them.

I am expressing my opinion. I said that I do not claim to speak for God on this. You and everyone else are free to do as they like. Churches are free to do as they like. I am sure that God's love and grace is greater than whether or not a church chooses to have a service on a Sunday. If you go back and read, I was careful to not apply this post to individuals or families. I applied it to churches who cancelled services altogether and was trying to make a plea that there is a blessing for us if we choose to meet, even on Christmas Day, and worship the Lord.

Our church met for worship today. Many were gone. I hope they had a great Christmas wherever they were. Many were there and there were many guests, visitors, family members, and former members back in town. It was a glorious service and God blessed us all greatly. I would not have missed it for the world. God moved mightily and tears were flowing freely as worship was given to the King of Kings. All that I am saying is that it is a good thing and it is good to trust that God can meet us in powerful ways - even on Christmas Day.

And, we spent the rest of the day with our family. Nothing was lost, but much was gained.

Debbie Kaufman

Alan: Of course I read, I have been following you for about 5 years. I love your writing. :)

I must take exception on this post however. I also read the first paragraph. I just don't think it's wrong for churches to have canceled services today. Most had service on Friday and Saturday. Many churches knew their members were going to be gone out of town or in town with families.

Our church did not cancel services, but I think by saying churches should have all stayed open, you are also putting a burden on those who are pastors and needed or wanted to be with their families as well as those other church workers who could use the time away to be with their families. Most have had the hard job of doing church programs and other extras for the past couple of months and a break is not wrong. It is putting an extra burden on whether you mean to or not, and I am sure you are not meaning to. Christ is where we are and that would include in our homes. I don't think there is a Christian that has not given time to Christ's birth today. Christ was honored whether the building was open or not.

downshoredrift

Debbie,

I get all of that. We have had our own slew of programs and ministries. Like I said, of course churches are free to do what they want. I plan to take off this next week to get away with my family. Individuals are free to do what they want as well. I am no ones judge.

For almost 2000 years, Christian churches have met on Sundays to give worship to God. It is only recently that we are cancelling worship because ministers are so tired and need to spend time with family on Christmas. I am not trying to lay down a law. You are running to a law/grace divide that I am not proposing. It is all grace. We get to gather for worship - we do not have to. I am making a case to continue the practice even if the family celebration of Christmas seems to interfere every 6-8 years. It is an invitation to open the church doors on a Sunday to all who WANT to gather on the day we celebrate Christs birth together in corporate worship. Like I said, we did so today and it was a glorious time together. We did not and will not judge any who did not come. As a pastor, it was a privilege to be there.

We dont see church gatherings as a production or a burden or something we have to do. We get to do this. If I was so exhausted and needing to be with my family so much between 10-12 that I had to cancel church, I would think I might need to take a look at how Im seeing things. By the way, I have spent the rest of the day with my family. It has been great. We also close the church office for the next week and I will take off next Sunday. I have an elder preaching for me.

Again, our righteousness is in Christ, not performance. But, we GET to gather for worship. Meeting with the church on the day we celebrate Christs birth for an hour made the day better for my family and I, not worse. It was an amazing day. I am making a case to continue that practice instead of forsaking it because we think we can improve on our personal experience by closing the church doors.

I respect your opinion, Debbie. I am just sharing mine. I guess we see this differently, but that is okay too. I am better for discussing things with people who differ from me. Thank you for engaging.
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Debbie Kaufman

Point taken Alan and thank you.

Lee

Our church had a Christmas Eve service, and our regular service on Christmas morning. The two services were not repetitive, but complimentary. Our congregation generally numbers about 90 on Sunday morning, we had over 100 on Christmas Eve, and fewer than 30 on Christmas, but I don't think that attending either of those sent some kind of message about spirituality or commitment. We celebrated Christ's birth on Christmas eve, and we celebrated his resurrection, as is our normal practice, on Sunday morning, which also happened to be Christmas day. Many of our members were with their families, and didn't join us here on Sunday morning, but there were family members of other members who came with them Sunday morning, including the pastor's Mother-in-Law, and all of his children who do not live in our community.

I think we should be understanding of the fact that people are going to spend time with family on Christmas, and take a position which doesn't make them feel obligated to be in their own church, while at the same time making it known that there will be a time of worship. I would gladly volunteer to take responsibility for helping to see that a worship service took place in my church on Christmas if my pastor or other worship leaders wanted to spend that day with their family, who lived out of town.

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