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Steve Walker

I think the reason the Christians in the 3rd century behaved as Dionysius describes is because the gospel then was not presented as "how to go to heaven." I think the gospel was presented as how to experience the kingdom life -- under the Lordship of the King -- here and now. One of our main problems in America is that we present eternal life as something we are still waiting for, rather than a life that is lived right now (see John 3:36, 4:14, 5:24, 6:47; 1 John 3:15, 5:13).

Moreover, I would say that any church that is gospel-driven and gospel-centered is not being silent about these issues. The gospel really does address all these things, and creates salty and brightly lit Christians. (Isn't this the point here? http://www.downshoredrift.com/downshoredrift/2009/08/new-mid-week-study-and-being-gospel-centered-by-joe-thorn.html)

Alan Cross

Absolutely, Steve. Absolutely.

Bryan Riley

Excellent post, Alan. Excellent. Seriously one of your best in a consistent string of great posts.

Dan

I very much liked this post. You proposed some great ideas here, and I think I understand what you are talking about. Dionysius spoke of Christians going to the sick, helping them personally, even taking the sick persons death as their own. This is not what Americans are wanting to do. Political action is not what Dionysius was proposing.

It has nothing to do with being silent or vocal about an issue. The issue is not the concern, but our heart and helping someone who is desperate is the issue. I liked this post, and I apologize if I have misunderstood anything written here.

Alan Cross

Dan,

You read me correctly. Our voice comes from who we are, what we do, and the solutions we propose that we are ready to sacrifice to enact. I am not talking about political lobbying. I am not opposed to being involved in the political process, but if we do so we should do so in a prophettic way, and not to gain power or benefit for ourselves.

Doug

Alan, I have been waiting for you to weigh in on this thorny and complex issue because I value your balance, wisdom, and especially, Gospel-centred thinking. You are right that Christians need to speak up in a positive and constructive way. I was on a nation wide conference call this afternoon (sponsored by Sojourners) with about 30,000 other Christians and people of various other faiths in which this issue was dealt with in a balanced and morally honest way. Many conservative Christians are having a problem, because so many of us have confused conservative ideology (read:Republican talking points learned on Fox News)with "Christian values" or "biblical mandates". How can we call ourselves "Christ-followers" and stand by while millions of our fellow Americans suffer needlessly? I am emabarrased that so many of those we see screaming inanely at Town Hall meetings are wearing "Jesus" t-shirts. I can't in my wildest dreams imagine Jesus acting this way while His beloved creatures suffer.
Thank you once again. You are a prophetic voice in Christ's church.

Clifford Hilbert

Folks, I hate to be the party-pooper here but it doesn't matter one iota what happens in the near future on healthcare. If you'll read my prophetic message "The Destruction of the USA" on my blog: www.watchman2009.blogspot.com you will understand how very, very near that we are to the end of the USA. Within four years this country will cease to exist as it does today. God's judgment is about to be unleashed upon America and there is nothing that will stop it. Healthcare will not exist in this country at that time. The economy in this country is about to experience a complete and total collapse and nothing will be as it is today. There will be no money for healthcare, the government will be bankrupt, as will most people.

Now is the time for prayer, fasting and reading the bible from cover-to-cover. Turn off the idiot boxes and seek the Lord while He may be found.

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