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June 01, 2009

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michael

Good and necessary post. I was thinking about this other day in regards to the SBC leadership. Until we see multicultural diversity in leadership, we will be spinning our wheels. And I think multicultural will need to include a variety of subcultures as well.

Ultimately, however, when the issue is that we all agree that these things are right, but don't do them. That points to a different issue: disobedience. But I agree that looking forward might help us address issues more freshly, and skip the passive nodding of agreement with little action.

Bob Cleveland

Score another one for the guy from Montgomery.

The GCRD is a swell document but as I said on Bart Barber's blog, if the ideas are good then let the various entities involved DO SOMETHING about it. The danger in swell documents is that everyone says "AMEN" and then we think we've actually done something neat. And nothing changes.

Louisville will be interesting. If this thing is brought up to be voted on, and to have a committee appointed to study it, I'm speaking AGAINST it. We've already had enough talk (can you say "Regenerate Church Membership?), particularly in the form of written resolutions.

Alan Cross

Good to hear from you, Michael. I hope that you are doing well.

Bob, you too. Hope to see you sometime soon.

Both of you are right. This is a good document, and it constitutes a good start. But, the areas of primary discussion and calls for clarity have been over suggestions that the state conventions and NAMB restructure. On issues like this, which are MUCH more important, there has been dead silence. The GCR statement has even been rewritten a couple of times to address the concerns of the powers-that-be over Article IX while the implications of Article III are passed by without comment.

Telling. Even if everyone just agrees with it, we have agreed with such things for some time now with very little happening in our churches. It is time for action, not just agreement.

Grady Bauer

I don't see anything changing because of this document. Let's look at the racial diversity issue. If you look at the church staffs of the SBC leadership...will you see racial diversity. Unless it's a guy pastoring a Spanish church in the fellowship hall on Tuesday night...probably not.

I can only imagine if we walk through issue by issue most of the SBC leader's churches would not be modeling the solutions...only talking about them.

Article VI speaks of missions. Last week the IMB announced a freeze on sending new 2 year personnel. Are the mega churches outraged? Do we see Pastors willing to go without pay so we can keep sending? Do we hear offers of pay cuts....special offerings...increasing giving to make up the difference? We do hear guys looking for alternative ways of funding? No....why?....because we care more about ourselves and our kingdoms then we do about Him and His Kingdom. Until our priorities changes this document will do little more than ease the conscience as we continue to decline.

John Alexander

The document fails to address our primary issue: Fundamentalism SBC-style always needs an enemy. Until someone finally realizes the necessity of unity and civil conversation over our differences, people will continue to leave the Convention, and those outside will see no reason to join it.

Someone asked my opinion about the goings-on, and like any hopeless academic, I wrote him a response.

http://web.mac.com/johnalex1/Johns_Start_Page/Response_to_SBC.html

As for the reallocation of Cooperative Program funds, I agree with Dr. Lance. You can find his response at http://www.ricklance.com/; read the May 7 entry, "To Sign or Not to Sign: That Is the Question."


JA

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