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June 04, 2009

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Bob Cleveland

You BET I am.

I signed it as a declaration. Which is fine. Good ideas. But if there are good ideas in it for SBC entities, let the Trustees get right on it. Let pastors get onto any good ideas for their churches. Let guys in the pew review their own service, and adjust if needed.

Signing the declaration does NOT mean we endorse any "official" use for it, any more than signing my Bible means I think you ought to use it to press corsages, squash mice, or as kindling in your fireplace.

I've already said that, if it comes to the floor in Louisville as some sort of motion, I'm going to speak against it. IF I can get to a microphone.

I suspect I'll have trouble with THAT.

Joe Kennedy

My dad was a ministerial student at TCU, and I grew up swapping off between a Methodist church and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). As the DoC is quick to say, "No Book but the Bible, No Creed but Christ." Limited? Yes. But aside from the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, I'm good to go with that.

We sure do like to talk and write about what we believe, but we are so pitiful with our action upon those beliefs, it's just a joke now. I know they meant well. So did the Memphis crowd. How much energy will be put into writing "perfect" documents? Too much, already.

Daniel

If we are wasting money as a Convention, we need to address it. It is not either spirtual renewal or administrative effectiveness and spending money wisely - it is both. In fact, if we are content to continue spending some money the way we do, that bespeaks a deeper spiritual problem. I agree that we cannot just beat the drum on number 9, but the local missions agency in states that are full of local SBC churches should be those local SBC churches, not a bunch of programs and state administrators. That money is better spent on missions and training the next generation of pastors and missionaries. That's an oversimplification - to be sure - but it is largely an accurate one. It's spiritual renewal and fervor that will cause us to look at how much money we are keeping in our states (where we already have many local churches) and say, "woe is me Lord, we've been hoarding money for ourselves for far too long."

Guy Fredrick

One thing that I've seen in the SBC is that the money sent to the cooperative program isn't always well allocated to the areas with the greatest need. As an individual from the Great Lakes region, I see huge evangelistic needs -- less than 6% (and in some areas 3% or less) of the populace is evangelized -- yet little in the way of funding is allocated on a national basis. It is tough work to start new churches in areas where there are only 10-15 congregations spanning hundreds of miles of territory. There simply is no critical mass large enough to assist the plants or missions to get them over the hump. IF this issue can be addressed with an eye toward actually carrying forward kingdom mission work, I'm ALL for it! When we discover the same heart for "unreached people groups" be they in New York, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, or other northern and western areas, that we see in the IMB, with targeted resources, I'll be one happy church planter. As it stands now, I cannot even work a plant in the area of my calling, as funds are non-existent. That requires bi-vocational work, and is exhausting to the planter and his family, not to mention kills most chances for successful plants.

Debbie Kaufman

Joe: I tend to agree with you which was why I did not sign to begin with, but was convinced by Tom Ascol and others that this was the real deal. It seems that I should have gone with my first instinct.

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