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May 29, 2009

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Alan Stoddard

You said, "but I think that we should stop with the stories that manipulate money out of people by claiming that missionaries will stay home and the lost will never hear the gospel if Southern Baptists don't do it through the CP and IMB." I agree, we should not "manipulate." It used to work, but doesn't any longer. BUT, I would not want to lay off pushing with urgency the need to reach the lost. This is a hard dilemma. Also, once we deemphasize the CP, it will be gone. We will go to a society model, which I don't like. I like that missionaries don't have to raise money. Now, I do know there has to be room for more CP money to go to the IMB. And FBC Woodstock does a lot with missions.

All good. I like this post. Made me think.

Alan Cross

I agree, Alan. We need to be urgent about our need to reach the lost and communicate that clearly. But, we need to do so accurately. We live in a day and age when people are changing rapidly. Because of technology, communication, education, connectivity, resources, and other advancements, people are getting rid of what does not work in business and their personal lives and are grabbing hold of what does. If we are going to make appeals to people because we believe that the current system is the best system, we had better make that case to people and show why it is the best system instead of just saying that it is. We could easily fund 100 missionaries by going to 100 large churches and ask them for $50,000 each. They could raise that in one or two Sundays. But, if we don't do that because we are afraid of hurting the CP while simultaneously saying that we can't put people on the field, then we have elevated the CP ABOVE sending missionaries and it becomes a hindrance to the mission instead of a help. That is a problem. Also, I know that FBC Woodstock does a lot with missions. That is why I named them. I believe with my whole heart that that church would raise $50k to send a missionary family to the field that could not go otherwise. But, they might not raise $275,000 so that $50k could make it to the IMB with $225k going everywhere else.

My point is not to speak against the CP or the IMB. Rather, it is to say that we need to make sure that we don't use the Great Commission to keep the CP solvent because that is the means the WE have chosen to do OUR work. God's work needs to come first and the organization needs to exist to serve the mission, not the other way around.

Doug

Excellent post as usual. I think you have hit on the issue for many younger churches and church leaders. I am a whole hearted supporter of the CP. But I also see that we (the SBC) must stop with the thinking that we are the only "act" in the Kingdom and start working with other Believers to "build the Kingdom of God." I warned of this kind of thinking when we withdrew from the BWA. As we continue to divide, our institution will become weaker and weaker. It is good to know, however, ( as you point out in this post) that, as hard as it for some SBC'ers to imagine, God's work and God's kingdom will go on and grow without us!

Jeff Moody

Great post Alan. Yuo make a clear argument for us to not stand on our systems but on the word of God and to continually bring the framework in which we do the ministry of the gospel under the lordship of Christ. Tough times often reveal hidden motivations, and it appears that this is the case with the CP. You are asking the right question: "What is most important, reaching the lost or the cooperative program?" We must continually ask these questions about all avenues of following Christ: preaching style, worship style, community ministry, etc.

Grady Bauer

Great post Alan. You're one of the few asking the right questions. I hear "change the formula"..."promote more"...."point out their selfishness"...we need to ask tough questions. I'm grateful for both the CP and the IMB...they allow me to do what I'm called to do...with relative ease. But I don't do this to preserve the IMB....I do it for King and Kingdom.

In the secular world we watch daily as older "entitled" corporations fall by the wayside and newer innovative, more efficient companies take their place. GM has been top-heavy and ignoring the trends for years....their solution....bring back the old cars...from when we were powerful and significant. The IMB has a choice to make....follow GM and the others or reinvent. Both are painful and both will result in significant changes for those involved....but if we choose to reinvent and recreate...then we get the continued joy of being involved in the greatest of all human activity. If we don't...then those who are truly called with find other ways, churches will struggle through learning to do it themselves, more people will be true tent-makers and the IMB will become another chapter in church history. What will it be?

Alan Stoddard

Alan,

Thanks for the reply. I get your point. All good. I agree that larger churches should fund more. That's a fact of truth. There seems to be disengagement going around. Good discussion. Wondering how an organization so big can turn it around.

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