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March 31, 2009

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Blake

Your last post interested me, but I didn't comment because I'm a Northerner with a grudge against the South. So, I don't know how helpful I can be in helping think through, but I definitely hope and want it to be thought through.

For starters, I tend to believe that the real challenge for the Church isn't so much with reading and contextualizing to the culture they are ministering to, but getting their priorities straight spiritually. I'm taking a seminary class on the mission of the Church right now and a big oversight I think of even most contemporary discussion of missiology and missional thinking is that it's recasting the same problem in a different and more complex/abstract light. The way conservative evangelicals talk about missional engagement now seems to still suffer from the basic problem of converts converting rather than disciples discipling. It takes a moment to create a convert but a long time to create a disciple.

The difference is huge and needs more attention then it is being given. Converts know and repeat a "creedal" version of Jesus while disciples live and model the historical Jesus of the Gospels. David Putman's recent book on Breaking the Discipleship Code is a welcome companion to the discussion (even though I wished he would have gone much further in certain areas). For myself, Bonhoeffer's Cost of Discipleship forever remains a seminal text in understanding one of the most basic duties and responsibilities of the Church. Churches live and die by their ability or inability to disciple believers. I think most churches have a very spiritually immature view of discipleship, Jesus and mission. Most churches don't have the first idea of any kind of "cost" that should come along with following Jesus and are happy to grow in number of those who may be "changed" but not truly transformed.

My impression of the South is that it is still too much a Christendom culture. The massive amounts of conversion without discipleship has created a field of weeds (converts) that tend to choke out the real crops (disciples). To an extent, I suspect that much of the South needs to be pruned (or more appropriately with the last analogy the chaff burned). Not to be entirely negative churches need to really investigate the "cost of discipleship" and see what they can do to turn some of those weeds into real produce. On the whole though I don't think there is any missional formula that will save the South from, comparatively, a collapse of Christianity. The numbers will continue to dwindle for at least a couple decades until it's about as "godless" as the Northeast and West Coast.

Alan Cross

Thanks for the insight, Blake. You gave me a lot to think about and I agree with you. Discipleship is the key. In the past, we have made discipleship about classes and information transfer. That is important, but how do people grow into Christlikeness? Lifestyle, relationships, mentoring, and doing is a lot more important than we ever dreamed.

I think that you are right about the future of the Church in the South, unfortunately. Of course, Jesus will never be defeated, but many of our churches are headed for difficult days (if not already there) unless they "Re-Jesus" as Alan Hirsch says. I pray that happens.

I am actually a lot more hopeful overall than I appear. God is working all over in powerful ways. It just looks different than it used to. But, I am very confident that God will be glorified and that many will come to know Him through all of this.

Alan Cross

Michael Spencer (iMonk) has a really great post up tonight that addresses much of what I am trying to say here, only much better:

http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-101-jesus-joel-and-the-hard-parts-of-the-gospel

He says,

"Jesus makes things very complicated for American Christians. If you simply follow him around in the Gospels, you are going to get into trouble. Why? Because he isn’t just talking evangelism. He’s talking about a whole life of Kingdom-dominated, life-transforming discipleship."

Take the time to read it. It is very eye-opening.

Jeff Parsons

I've lived in the south all my life and feel the Lord is leading me to plant a new work where I live. I'm 45 and beyond the ideal age, but am pursing God's calling all the same. The biggest challenge I see in the South is how we've seemed to integrate Christianity with Middle Class values and created a syncretic religion rather than a passion to become disciples of Jesus. Our conversion centric, consumerist focused methodology makes Christianity costless. Experiencing the sufferings of Christ isn't laboring in a mission field with little to no fruit or being truly persecuted for one's faith, but having someone disagree with your view on abortion. It truly has become a subculture that's incredibly difficult to overcome and can only be overcome with a focus on the much slower process of making disciples. It will take time, commitment, and a redefinition of what success looks like.

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