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Igor Paschuk

Alan,

Yesterday you preached the best sermon I've heard you preach. I love it when Jesus is lifted up like that. My (and, incidentally, my wife's) favorite passage is Psalms 73:25-26: "Whom have I in heaven but You? And besides You I desire nothing on earth. My heart and my flesh may fail but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever."

You touched upon the subject of God's will when you stated that you will not pray "if it is Your will...". On the surface, it's not difficult to disagree with the statement because it is incomplete. However, I hear what you are saying and I completely agree with you.

There are two wills of God: God's will of decree and God's will of command. God's will of decree is what we commonly refer to as His sovereign will (i.e. "such and such shall come to pass"). God's will of command is what He commands us to do (i.e. "thou shall not steal"). John Piper explains it much better so I'll refer you to his article here:
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2004/179_What_Is_the_Will_of_God_and_How_Do_We_Know_It/

So, in Caelan's case, both wills of God are at work. On the one hand, God's sovereign will is being executed. Sometimes, he reveals His sovereign will (as in prophecies about the second coming or something imminent like the famine prophesied in Acts 11:28, etc.). We cannot know His sovereign will unless it is revealed. Hence we trust His will knowing that "God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who have been called according to His purposes" (Rom. 8:28). On the other hand, God commanded you to pray: "If you abide in me and I in you, ask whatever you will, and it will be done for you" (John 15:7) or "...ask and you will receive..." (John 16:24). In fact, God created the need so that you couldn't help praying for your dear son. The problem occurs when we act as if there is either God's sovereign will (in which case, we become fatalists) or we believe that God's will of command requires us to change what we presume to be God's will. But when we see that the two wills are inseparable we pray correctly, "Our Father... your kingdom come, your will be done... give us this day our daily bread...". We acknowledge His sovereignty, yet we obey His commands to us (and, specifically, to pray to Him in all circustances). Phillippians 2:12-13 puts the two wills together very nicely: "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure."

It is not my intent to be "anal" about this because I sincerely believe that you see the issue correctly. However, it is my desire that no one would misinterpret your message and think that somehow we can manipulate God's will. The clarification is important for the sake of your hearers -- not for you personally.

This said, Kristen and I are grieving, repenting, and praying with you because the world is fallen, pain is real, and Christ Jesus is very precious.

May God's grace and peace be with you in Christ Jesus,

Sincerely your brother,
Igor Pashchuk

Alan Cross

Igor,

You heard correctly. You are exactly right. We do become fatalistic when we fall on one side or the other. It is God's business what He does and it is our business to pray. We must pray believing, asking boldly. God knows His will and He knows what He is going to do, but He commands us to prevail upon Him in prayer. Why? I don't exactly know. It doesn't all make sense to me. But, I am not going to try and figure it all out. I can live in the mystery, but I cannot live without trusting God.

Thank you for your very well thought out comment. It is exactly what I was hoping for.

John Stickley

I've been challenged by this recently as well, Alan, as I was reading through some of the healings Jesus performed in Matthew 8 and 9 and thinking over them. The common element was faith, either of the healed or of those caring for them seeking their healing.

It made me wonder if our wishy-washy prayers demonstrate lack of faith, and challenged me, as you have, to pray boldly with real belief.

Thanks for sharing this.

Igor Pashchuk

Alan,

I completely agree with you about the fact that our faith is too small -- that's why, for example, we prefix our requests with "if it be Thy will..." Jesus reprimanded His disciples a number of times because they did not believe and were satisfied with too little. Once we truly grasp God's sovereignty and power, we would recognize that it is not much to ask God to move mountains.

I don't think that the phrase "if it be Thy will" itself is inconsistent with how we are to pray. However, I do believe that the condition of our hearts is the problem. We latch onto phrases and words and methods thinking that they will keep us safe and get God to do what we want Him to. There is a great mystery in trembling in the presence of the Almighty God who is an all-consuming fire and yet boldly petitioning Him on the merit of Jesus Christ alone.

Igor

Kevin Bussey

Alan,

I'm praying in agreement with you that Caelan wil be healed period. I believe we are to go to God boldly and I am praying that way. It is not my job to determine what God does. It is my job as a believer to pray boldly. My prayers are with you.

Alyce Faulkner

Alan, I might have disagreed with you 18 months ago.
I've spent the last 18 months praying each week with 6 people, including my husband, pastor and sister-in-law. One of the group has such faith, it challenged me and encouraged me to ask and believe.
So simple, so Biblical-how did I forget this? Thank God he brought me back to the prayer of faith.
We continue to pray for you and your family.

Deborah Bradfield

Alan,
We have not met but I know you through Nathan and Stephanie Bradfield,(Nathan is my oldest son). We heard about your son, Caelan through them. We have asked for prayer for Caelan through the email prayer chain at our church (Peachtree Christian Fellowship) in Peachtree City GA, (just south of the Atlanta airport). You may not know any of us but that does not matter. The Lord knows you and He knows us so we are connected through Him. Prayer knows NO boundaries and we want you and your family to know we are praying for a miraclous and deligently sought-after invasion of heaven to earth for your adorable little son. We stand along side you and speak and declare life, wellness, and wholeness into his entire being. We join you in asking our Father God to touch him and heal him completely! We all are warriors in the faith and we unite with you on behalf of your son. May the prayer covering of many believers strengthen you as the Lord Almighty holds Caelan and each of you securely in His hand. He is a good God and He has countless good things in heaven for those who believe. We stand with you and pray the destiny God has for Caelan to rise up and unfold day after day after day showing the goodness of the Lord in his life!
I look forward to meeting you all one day.
In the Lord's awesome love,
Deborah Bradfield

Kevin

I remember reading a book by Andrew Murray called With Christ in the School of Prayer. He said that "if it be your will" was a cop-out; a way to save face for both us and God. It made a lot of sense, and I have stopped using that phrase in my prayers. I think we should just ask God and let Him answer.

John

Alan,

I only know you through reading your blog. I just want you to know that I am praying for complete healing for Caelan, as well as peace and comfort for your entire family. I have prayed for over 40 years now and have run the spectrum of prayer, starting with the "soda machine" model (put in a prayer, press the button, and out pops your answer) and moving eventually to the other extreme (You are going to do Your will no matter what, so I'll just pray "Your will be done"). Although I have a long way to go in my understanding of prayer, I have learned that both extremes are incorrect. God does not exist to grant my wishes and make my life what I want it to be. Nor is He a fatalistic God that could care less what I ask for. I agree it is a mystery, just as many doctrines of the Bible are. I just work on the things I can understand and take the others by faith and keep asking for understanding into everything else.

God is in control of all, and He knows all. If I am to pray honestly, I need to pray for everything that is on my heart. God already know my heart, so to do less would be dishonest. I know the answers won't always be "yes", but I keep on asking if it is on my heart. God has changed both my circumstances and my heart over the years. Neither, I believe, would have happened without honest prayer. God desires our prayers and comands us to do it. In my private worship, I have to be honest.

May God continue to bless you and your family.

John

Laura

I have chewed on this lately in light of your teachings and even had a passionate dialog with friends about it Sunday evening after life group. Our God is an awesome God and I agree that we have to pray believing but as you said in your message - our hope is not in the prayer, our hope is in God "who is able to do immeasurably more than we can actually think or ask or imagine". I responded to a friend recently in this way:

I still maintain that in the area of healing, I must always believe that God can and wants to heal (whether on earth or perfectly in heaven). In Heaven, everyone is healed so I AM praying "as it is in heaven". If anyone I love is sick, I will always pray for healing. God's will WILL be done, but we must believe for "without faith it is impossible to please him". "Faith is the evidence of things not seen" and I can't see one's healing but I must always believe. Call it crazy, and I KNOW God's will WILL be done and submit to that but I will always pray for healing.

Crazy for Jesus,
Laura

p.s. for those that missed the message, it can be found at www.gatewaybaptist.com, click on 'audio downloads.'

Bart Barber

Alan,

I, too, believe in praying boldly and without excessive qualification. In the study of God's Word I try to measure my desires against God's commands and shape them according to His will. In prayer I try to express my desires clearly and without qualification to God. In waiting and watching, I try to have the faith of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: God is able to do what I have asked, but even if He does not, I will yet cling to Him and to Him alone.

In my opinion, we ought not to worry about taking risks in prayer. So what if I end up looking foolish (He prayed for his friend's son to be healed, but he wasn't...what a spiritual weakling, dufus, etc.!)? Prayer is not about making me look good. I must pray because I am indeed a spiritual weakling and dufus. I pray to implore for help that I cannot provide to myself. I pray because I am dependent. The risks are there in life no matter how I pray...I might as well pray honestly and boldly.

Rest assured, I am praying simply that God would heal Caelan. And I am not doing so alone.

Doug

Alan,
Let me add my recommendation to Kevin's regarding the classic, "With Christ in the School of Prayer" by Andrew Murry. I am not sure if it is still in print, but I am sure it can be found in a library. Under the "Tenth Lesson: Prayer Must Be Definite" (Mt. 10:51; Luke 18:41)he says of tacking on "if it be your will": "It is often spiritual sloth that, under the appearance of humility, professes to have no will, because it fears the trouble of searching out the will of God, or, when found, the struggle of claiming it in faith." The simple truthfulness of this statement changed forever the way I pray.
God bless!

Kevin

Doug,
I'm sure Murray's book can be found all over the internet on places like half.com.

Adrianne Jones

Hello, question I was taught that coming boldly to the thrown, believing that we will recieve his perfect will for us when we ask, that we can pray with authority, using the authority that is inside of us.. I prayed for my husbands healing and spoke Gods healing word over him from Isaiah and anointed him with oil I bound up the spirit of sickness on him and loosed forth Gods healing and promises in his word then I said " I command you Lord to do as you promised in your word, my husband stopped the prayer to apologize for me to God and said I was being disrespectful... Hmmm mabey wrong in my approach but only because of the way I was taught to pray but not disprespectful. I really didnt even mean to say it like that but it came out like that due to overwork and tiredness, but I cant seem to clear up the misunderstanding . any good scriptures you can give me to learn from and to pass on... Thank you
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Drena Hicks

What about when Paul sought the Lord thrice to remove the thorn in his flesh and it was not done.(2Cor12:8-9) Was it not done because of paul's lack of faith or it was not done because it was not God's will? We are taught through the word "asked and it shall be given".Yet, it is still "if the Lord will,we shall live and do this or that.(James 4:15) While I believe that we should pray with faith and belief as the Bible states, however, it is still "if the Lord will". Moses desired to see beyond the Jordan and prayed with exaltation and was denied.(Deut.18:24-25)"God knows what we needs before we even ask".God looketh on the heart;(1Sam.16:7 we know he does because of all the things that David had done it was stated that "David was a man after God's own heart". "The eyes of the Lord run to and fro thoughout the whole earth to show himself strong in the behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward him"(2Chron.16:9). Our lives are in the will of God as "he knows the number of hairs on our head". "All sickness is not unto death" but some are,if it is the Lord's will.(All scripture in quotation can be found in the Bible).

I pray that your son's is well, Drena

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