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April 11, 2007

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Paul

Alan,

Good post here. I'm not entirely positive in my outlook about the future of the SBC, but I am extremely positive in my outlook about the future of many, like you, who are currently in the SBC but aren't obsessed with the organization and who controls it. I think the SBC of the future will be very different by the time my time comes to an end. I don't know what it will look like at that point. It may very well be a sad shadow of its present self, or it may become a starfish and increase its glocal influence exponentially. I'm not sure it has the courage for that, but one thing I do believe, regardless of the future of the SBC, the future of the Kingdom is brighter than ever.

David Phillips

Alan,

Great post. I think the blogosphere is moving from a high level of frustration to we're going to work and share and do what God is leading us to do without the need for the denomination as a whole. And I am excited about the opportunity to work with you and others on projects!

Bryan Riley

Good post. I never knew much about the Baptist Spider or about the blogosphere and mostly came to blogging through personal leading of the Spirit. It has been a wonderful blessing of God and has helped me through struggles with how I used the internet, the establishment of a new ministry, and a communication vehicle for the many who are supporting us in our journey. What an incredible blessing!

Kevin Bussey

Alan,

I agree. I think I'm going the way of David Phillips and you. I'm tired of it all. I want to be redemptive-period.

Gary Snowden

Alan,

I appreciate the comments about the decentralization of the missionary task. I need to get a copy of Bob Roberts' book and read it. I heard him many years ago when he had just been at NorthWood Church a short time, but it was already exploding with growth. In a similar vein, I'd commend to you Bill Tinsley's book "Finding God's Vision: Missions and the New Realities."

Bill heads up WorldconneX, a missions networking agency under the auspices of the Bapt. General Convention of Texas. He has assembled an outstanding staff and they're really doing some innovative things along the lines that you are talking about in terms of connecting folks and churches who are interested in missions and bringing them together in collaborative endeavors.

To find out more about their organization, you can visit their website at http://www.worldconnex.org/

I continue to be blessed and challenged by your posts. Keep up the outstanding work.

Alan Cross

Gary,

I met Bill at an Intersection Conference in Seattle in Oct., 2005. His organization seems to be doing some great things. Maybe he's pointing to the future in a way that we can all learn from. Thanks for reminding me of him.

Guy Muse

What an excellent post! I loved your summary and conclusions drawn from "The Starfish and the Spider". This is a book that all of us need to read and digest. I haven't yet read Roberts book, but look forward to getting my hands on a copy in the near future.

You write above, "We are realizing that it is impossible to reform the spider organization, so you have to go around it if you want to be effective. In the going around, we are bumping into one another. There are no leaders, just an emerging sense that there must be a better way, and we are endeavoring to find it." I think you have really hit upon one of those tidal wave ideas that have already taken place. Many are already on board with what you suggest is taking place and they are the ones who will make a difference in today's global missions scene.

Again, a really valuable post. Thanks for taking the time to synthesize these ideas into a great post.

Alan Cross

Thanks, Guy. I meant to insert in the post that you and David Phillips recommended that I read this book, but I forgot. I ordered it soon after and it has been very valuable. Thanks for the recommendation!

David Cecil

Alan,

This has really been some food for thought. Your post is so deep that I had to read it through three times to really get it all in.

One thing that hit me, in regard to the starfish, is that, when a leg is severed, an entirely new starfish is made, so that there are now two where there was only one. Two new, autonomous entities, not just an adapting single entity (like the T-1000 from the Terminator 2 movie, which could morph and move around). I think we see this in the Baptist blogs, where there are those who still focus on the problems, but the leg that was cut off is doing its own thing now.

This reminds me of my own thoughts about the reformers, and how they tried to reform their churches, but eventually had to create a new work. The starfish is not really about reforming, but simply growing a new entity out of the part that was cut off. Or, conversely, regrowing the leg and not dieing when it is cut off. At least, that is was it seems like to me.

I feel some regret about this, so I suppose that I am still enamored with the spider even though I am part of the "starfish" of the SBC. Most of us still pray for the spider to change, even though we strongly doubt it can or will. However, the illustration of the starfish seems to instruct us to accept the separation, and to move on as a new movement in our own direction. Historically, this might be a good answer for those who ask why there are so many different denominations.

Here's a thought: Do starfish retain some connection with each other, even though they are physically separated? Does a starfish only work with its own physical structure, or do numerous starfish, even ones that formed out of broken pieces of other starfish, have the ability to associate and work with one another?

I realize that the illustration of the starfish is more about not being able to destroy the leadership or central knowledge base, but I just could not help but see the further implications of the new growth.

I am probably making more out of this than I should...

Man, I just need to think about this some more...

Have I said that this is a good post?

Marty Duren

Alan-
Good stuff, Mr. Network. There is no doubt that the long term mission of SBC churches has to be separated from concern about the long term mission of the SBC itself. The two are not the same. The work of God will continue through the local churches whether there is an SBC mechanism or not.

IMO, if the SBC does not find a way to "starfish" itself, then it will most certainly go the way of the headless spider at some point.

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